Sa´ar Israeli Dassault Super Mystere
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75 11 October 2021, 15:47
Michael Kohlno - and no need to, as you cannot see the roof of the intake once the fuselage is closed.
Hi Cuajete, nice to have your attention. Stay tuned.
15 October 2021, 12:29
Bernd KorteI missed this in October but will follow now. Nice paint job so far!
12 December 2021, 08:45
Michael KohlHi mates! Nice to have you on board and thanx for the encouraging feedback.
13 December 2021, 08:53
Bernd KorteYou can try to cut the decal where it is silvering very carefully with a fresh scalpel blade. Then brush some highly diluted gloss varnish on that are (eg. Future). Like this the gloss varnish should get under the decal and stop the silvering.
18 December 2021, 20:34
Michael KohlHi Bernd. Thanx for your advise. I tried it but it did not work too well. But I was lucky as a lot of silvering got covered with the gloss varnish that protects the decals.
14 January 2022, 18:08
MariusThis is so far great work and a great model. I just ordered it my self yesterday. i don't know how I missed your topic so far. Great camo work. I love this scheme.
Regarding the silvering: it tends to apparently dissapear behind a gloss varnish but will become obvious again once you apply satin or matt varnish. I would still try now in this phase to puncture it and use a decal solution. What do you use? For me the Tamyia Mark Fit works very well in most situations.
14 January 2022, 18:53
Bernd KorteSorry to hear my suggestion didn't work so well! I keep my fingers crossed that the silvering stays hidden now or perhaps Marius' tip works better! Anyway, what I see is very nice progress and a probably time consuming camouflage! Looks great!
15 January 2022, 08:49
Michael KohlHi mates! Thanx for your likes. Much appreciated.
@Marius: welcome to the build and Thanx for the nice feedback. The kit is really a gem and I am sure you are going to enjoy it. There is actually not a lot of advice I can give as fit is really great. I did not align the wing roots perfectly and had to putty and sand a bit - thus loosing some details. In case you want to paint the naked aluminum areas around the stabilizers, consider mounting them AFTER all the painting, as masking this area with the stabs in place is really a challenge. I did not do too well on this section.
Concerning the silvering, I am quite optimistic as the semimatt varnish did nothing so far to make the silvering reappear.
I use MicroSol and MicroSet. By now I was happy with this combination, but as this' kits decals are a bit on the thick side, I indeed wished I had a stronger setting solution in my poison cabinet.
@Bernd: I will surely keep your technique in mind. It might work better in a different setting. Thanx for your motivating comment and - yes - the paint job is quite time consuming. But as I like the color scheme too, I won't complain. 🙂
15 January 2022, 17:33
Michael KohlHi Mark, thanx for your encouraging comment. Nice to have you around.
16 January 2022, 12:32
Michael KohlA question to the crowd: I received CMKs Mystere maintenance crew and was wondering whether anyone out here has knowledge of the color of their clothes. Any input is appreciated. I am talking about israeli plane maintenance personel from the sixties and seventies. Somehow I could not find anything useful on the web.
16 January 2022, 12:36
Mark BroughtonMichael, you can't go too wrong with khaki green! But if you have a group of ground crew make sure they are all slightly different tones of Khaki green. Many Israeli personnel during this period were reservists and would have drawn their uniform from store at different times of services, so there is a large variation in colour and design of uniform. Also the kit issued to the army and airforce was pretty much the same.
I have a picture of the ground crew of 101 Sqn in 1967 on and around a Mirage (black and white unfortunately), there are 18 ground crew in the picture, 15 of them are wearing just shorts and are topless, everyone of the shorts is a different tone , 2 are in boots, the rest have flip flops on! One is in a white vest and Bermuda shorts. Those in full uniform, the tone of the shirt doesn't match the trousers. Hope that helps a little
16 January 2022, 17:01
Michael KohlHi Mark, it definitely does help. So I will go for the color of the Israeli army gear with some variations. Thanx a ton.
16 January 2022, 19:19
Michael KohlIt is done. I call it completed, although I want to build a little vignette in time. Some better and detailled pics will follow.
Time for a resume.
Kit:
Bottomline, the kit is great. Almost perfect fit and ease of construction make it a pleasure to build. If you leave the canopy closed there is no need for further details in the cockpit. I bought it, but think that the resin wheels are no significant improvement over the kits parts. I consider the engravings of just the right depth as they show beautifully after a wash without appearing exaggerated (which of cause they actually are). Clear parts have a perfect fit without any seam or imperfections and include the wings positioning lights.
Issues I had:
- at least without ordnance the Super Mystere turned out to be a tail sitter. This is not mentioned in the instruction. Be aware and put weight into the front. Space is plenty.
- the landing gear actuators bend if you install the wheel well doors closed, as shown on most parked Super Mysteres. Might be that this is my fault, but I have not figured (yet) where I might have taken a wrong turn.
Recommendations:
- leave the stabilizers off until after painting, as this will greatly facilitate masking this area
- replace the two pitot tubes in front. This will improve looks significantly. As there are no pitot tubes for this particular aircraft available yet, you either have to fashion them yourself or buy something similar. I found the Master Pitot tube for the L-29 Dolphin a good match. You get two as you need and you only have to shorten the front tips a bit. Easily done with a plier (Additional free advice: Do not loose one, as happend to me 😉 ).
- decals are beautifully printed but a bit on the thicker side. I did not use it, but it would probably not hurt using a strong decal softener as with MicroSol and MicroSet only they would not conform fully into the recess lines.
- be aware that the main landing gear wheels have a locating pin. They fit in one position only. I flattened the wheels without noticeing this and was left with a wrong orientation of the brake drums on one side. My bad.
- drill open the little holes in the front wheel. Looks better.
- sand the rims of the exhaust stack of engine and frame thinner. This improves appearance.
- I replaced the landing gear hydraulic pistons with segments cut from syringes and further detailled the gear with brake hoses. Almost nothing of this is seen. For a next build I would skip this.
Okay, those are my two cents on this magnificent kit. I think that Special Hobby is on par now with brands like Eduard, Tamiya, Meng and the like.
Final conclusion:
Buy it, enjoy it.
19 January 2022, 09:32
MariusI am waiting for the final photo session, but it looks great already!!
Thank you Michael for the progress pictures and tips. Very, very helpful, at least for me, since I will be doing this kit at some point in the next 12 months.
😀
19 January 2022, 13:49
Simon Nagorsniknice job michael!
camo and decals looks great, the tail fin is an eyecatcher 👌
22 January 2022, 22:40
Michael KohlThanks Marius, Cuajete and Simon.
@Marius: if my remarks help others avoid problems and/or make the build more enjoyable, I am happy
23 January 2022, 16:05
Michael KohlThanks a lot Bernd. Nice to read.
I just then realised that I only took some quick and dirty last pics. So I have to change that and take some decent ones.
@ Marius: You wanted to build this kit within the next 12 month, you said. On January 19th 2022. So - another 9 days to go. ;-P
10 January 2023, 12:15
MariusMichael, you don't need to expose my empty promises every year 🙂.
Actually the kit is indeed on my very short list, but it will take a longer while to start it. As always, you have a stash lf many kits waiting for years for some attention, but then you get excited by a completely new topic, you buy a new kit and start that one.
14 January 2023, 08:45
Michael KohlOk, finally I managed to shoot some final pics and posted them here.
I really enjoyed building this kit. I was only surprised to find it to be a tailsitter - an experience other modellers did not have. In case you want to build this beautiful kit I recommend to put a few grams of ballast into the nose. Apart from that the only mistake I made was flattening the wheels without paying attention to the fact that they are mounted in one position only. So now my brakes are not in line anymore.
This kit impressively shows how far Special Hobby have come. From "nice-that-they-released-it,-but-they-could-have-done-it-better"-kits to this one, which pleases with crisp details, fine mouldings and very good fit.
5 April 2023, 17:59
MariusA very succesful model of yours, although it's not in an agricultural frame.
I notoced just now the chipping at the air intake. How did you do it?
5 April 2023, 19:37
Michael KohlVery nice to read your encouraging feedback. Thanks for that. It was a fun build and I am quite happy with the outcome.
@ Marius: the chipping has been done with the good ol sponge technique. Usually I don't like it, but here I managed to controll the effect and not to overdo it (apart from the fact that I do not know of any reference which supports any chipping there whatsoever. It was artistic license and educated guess. 😉 )
8 April 2023, 19:56
AlexanderNice topic and a very nice looking model as well - particularly like the pictures in the fake hangar! 👍
8 April 2023, 21:04
Michael KohlThanks Alexander. I like the hangar background too. Hope that I will be able to build a real one too, to enhance the impression.
10 April 2023, 19:25
Michael KohlThank you mates for all your likes. Happy to see this one being so well received
11 April 2023, 07:00
CaptGPFI had a hard time with silvering on my earlier kits, but once I started to correct my myriad of errors, silvering is more or less a thing of the past. Silvering does happen to me from time to time, and when that happens, I use the following steps to resolve it:
1) I carefully cut / pop the area which is silvering
2) I brush on a lot of Mark fit strong onto the area
3) Wait a bit for it to seep into the cut, and then use a damp cotton bud to roll out the excess liquid
4) Pray / Perform sacrifices to the modeling gods / Whatever your kit making ritual is here
5) If this doesn't work, I bring out the big guns - Walther's setting solution - as a last result, and repeat steps 1-4
The first Eduard kit I made had some really weird silvering issues - to the point I was ready to just paint some of the markings manually, until I applied the X-22 Gloss coat, then it went away. Applying a Matt coat after that didn't make the silvering reappear, so I just chalked that up to some oddity with Eduard decals - or something I goofed up on.
That said, LOVE the final result - and appreciate the step-by-step process!
18 April 2023, 17:05
Michael KohlThanx CaptGPF for the detailled suggestion and the nice feedback. 🙂
19 April 2023, 09:17
